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 Thermodynamics and Fluid Mechanics Thermodynamics and Fluid Mechanics Physics Help Forum Apr 24th 2014, 09:39 AM #1 Junior Member   Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 3 heat and electricity I have a question about an object heating up when electricity is applied. When putting electricity (say 10 to 15 A) trough a wire the wire will heat up because of it's resistance for electricity, right? But does anyone know how to do calculations on this? Like how to calculate how warm the wire would get in say 15 min? I searched trough all my textbooks and the internet (I am not a good internet searcher, it should be there I guess) but I found nothing on it. Hopefully someone here can help ^^ Thanks in advance.   Apr 24th 2014, 01:44 PM #2 Physics Team   Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Morristown, NJ USA Posts: 2,352 First step is to understand that the heat in the wire comes from the resistance of the wire, which is like friction in a mechanical system. The amount of heat peer second that is generated is given by Q = I^2R, where Q = rate of heat (in joules/second), I is current going down the wire in Amps, and R is the resistance of the wire in ohms. The resistance R depends on the wire's cross-sectional area and length, following the equation R = pl/A, where p = the resistivity of the conductor in ohm-m. Hence the heat generated in the wire is I^2 pl/A. The resistivity of copper is 1.7x10^-8 ohm-m, but a more common material that might be used in a heating element would have a higher resistivity: one common alloy for heating elemsnt si cupronickel,which has p = 2x10^-7 ohm-m. Now as the wire heats up it begins to shed some of that heat to the surrounding air, so that the rate of temp rise slows. The hotter it gets the quicker it sheds heat, until ultimately the rate at which it sheds heat equals the rate at which I^2R heating creates heat. That's the equilibrium temperature. The problem is that calculating how quickly a wire sheds heat is not easy, because convection is difficult to model. It really depends on the geometry of the wire and the way in which air is allowed to flow over the wire. If the air is stagnant the wire will get hotter than if the air is moving. The equation to use is: Q = hS (Delta T) where h is a constant with units of J/s/m^2/K whose value depends on the geometry of the wire and the manner of air flow around it, S is the surface area of the wire, and Delta T is the temp difference between the surface of the wire and the air. The hardest part is determining the value for h. It can be done experimentally, though there are some empirical models that may give reasonable results. Here's a model for horizontal cylinder, like a wire: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_tr...ontal_cylinder In general for free convectio in air the value of h is typically between 5 and 25 W/m^2-K. Putting it all together: the temperature rise of the wire above ambient air temperaturein Kelvin is: Delta T = I^2R/hS = I^2 pl/AhS Recognizing that the cross-sectional area A andthe surface area S are functions of the wire's radius r and length, we can replace A with pi r^2 and S with 2 pi rl, and so l/AS = 1/(2 pi^2 r^3). So we get finally: Delta T = I^2 p/(h 2 pi^2 r^3) Phew! Now if you plug in numbers of I= 10 Amps, p = 2x10^=7 ohm-m, h = 10 W/m^2-K, and r = 0.002 m you get Delta T = 100K, or 180 degrees F, which seems pretty reasonable. Class dismissed! Last edited by ChipB; Apr 24th 2014 at 02:22 PM.   Apr 24th 2014, 11:59 PM #3 Junior Member   Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 3 Thanks a lot for replying, that was really helpfull (hits head agains wall for not thinking that up herself). I still need something with time in it, so if you know that as well that would be great, but perhaps I can think it up myself now as well ^^   Apr 25th 2014, 03:12 AM #4 Junior Member   Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 3 Oh never mind. I already got it ^^. *hits head against wall again* Thanks for the big help   May 7th 2014, 08:08 PM #5 Junior Member   Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 3 helpfull __________________    May 9th 2014, 08:20 AM #6 Senior Member   Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: NC Posts: 418 About Electricity and Heat Hi dobutso... Here are two calculations of possible interest to you. http://www.thermospokenhere.com/wp/0...heat_calc.html http://www.thermospokenhere.com/wp/0...bulb/bulb.html Good luck with your studies. TSH  Tags electricity, heat, heat electricity Thread Tools Show Printable Version Email this Page Display Modes Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode Similar Physics Forum Discussions Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post Punch Thermodynamics and Fluid Mechanics 0 Apr 23rd 2010 06:51 PM joannahector1225 Thermodynamics and Fluid Mechanics 0 Mar 6th 2010 06:48 PM omkar13 Electricity and Magnetism 1 Feb 13th 2009 07:49 PM fnus Electricity and Magnetism 0 Oct 18th 2008 12:35 AM