Physics Help Forum Bernoulli equation

 Thermodynamics and Fluid Mechanics Thermodynamics and Fluid Mechanics Physics Help Forum

 May 4th 2018, 10:19 AM #1 Junior Member   Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 7 Bernoulli equation I am confused about the application of Bernoulli's equation in aerodynamics: p0+1/2rho v^2=constant. Strictly speaking this equation is only valid for incompressible fluids without viscosity. So possibly for water, but not for an ideal gas like air. But I find this equation used frequently when the basics of aerodynamics are discussed. Take for instant a pitot-valve: In an ideal gas rho is a function of p and temperature. So if p increases in the pitot-valve with respect to the upstream value so does rho. So which rho do I use to calculate the speed to be measured? How about temperature? At very low speed I would except the process to be isothermal, but as speed increaeses we probably get adiabatic. So what temperature to use when converting p to rho? Wolfgang
 May 4th 2018, 03:38 PM #2 Senior Member     Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: England Posts: 883 Bernoulli's equation is an approximation. For many situations the quantities involved due to compressibility & viscosity & temperature (etc.) will be small enough compared to Bernoulli's equation that the approximation is good enough. If the process being modelled includes significant compressibility or viscosity or ... then you have to bite the bullet and use more complex models. __________________ ~\o/~
 May 5th 2018, 09:00 AM #3 Senior Member   Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Somerset, England Posts: 1,035 Bernoulli is an energy equation, in fact the conservation of energy, so long as you can account for the energy changes due to density change You can still use Bernoulli, but as Woody says you need a more complicated version, for instance, ignoring gravity, $\displaystyle \frac{\gamma }{{\gamma - 1}}pV + \frac{{{v^2}}}{{2g}} = {\rm{a}}\;{\rm{constant}}$ topsquark likes this. Last edited by studiot; May 5th 2018 at 09:03 AM.
 May 7th 2018, 02:36 AM #4 Junior Member   Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 7 What is the system (in the thermodynamic sense) to be considered? I guess it is the closed system (fixed number of particles)? But then the internal energy is not p*V but rather the Integral p(V)dV. Should this be calculated isothermal or adiabatic under normal conditions and say 30m/s. What is gamma in your equation?

 Tags bernoulli, equation

 Thread Tools Display Modes Linear Mode

 Similar Physics Forum Discussions Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post ching5633 Thermodynamics and Fluid Mechanics 1 Oct 21st 2016 12:23 PM guaiamum Thermodynamics and Fluid Mechanics 7 Aug 1st 2016 04:26 AM Justusphung Thermodynamics and Fluid Mechanics 1 Jul 30th 2013 06:18 AM tweety1234 Thermodynamics and Fluid Mechanics 3 Dec 19th 2010 03:32 AM I<3Kinematics Kinematics and Dynamics 1 Jan 5th 2010 06:41 AM