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 Nov 14th 2015, 09:32 AM #21 Senior Member   Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Somerset, England Posts: 1,035 Sorry, yes that includes the casting, but I missed the piston in last night's rush. Upward force = 44180N Downward force piston + atm = 2256N + 44765N = 47021N Add casting = 1000 x 9.81 = 9810N Total downward force = 47021N + 9810 = 56831N
 Nov 16th 2015, 07:58 AM #22 Junior Member   Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 3 Any pointers for part 3?
 Nov 16th 2015, 09:34 AM #23 Junior Member   Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 8 help anyone... does 1 N/m^2 = 1 Newton ??
 Nov 16th 2015, 09:42 AM #24 Junior Member   Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 3 N/m squared is pressure it = 1 Pa
Nov 16th 2015, 10:01 AM   #25
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 Any pointers for part 3?
That is why I said you need Cp and Cv.

The steam raises the temperature at constant volume from point 1 (the start) to point 2(the start of lifting) on your PV diagram.

Then the steam continues to raise the temperature at constant pressure to point 3, when the steam is turned off.

So you need to calculate the temperature rises for each part using the appropriate equation of state.

 Nov 16th 2015, 10:23 AM #26 Junior Member   Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 3 Ended up figuring that out but not sure how to work put the heat transfer when the piston returns back down?
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 Ended up figuring that out but not sure how to work put the heat transfer when the piston returns back down?
So far I've done most of the work here, (post7) so how about describing your version of the next stage on the PV diagram.
That is from point 3 to point 4 using what you have learned in going from point 1 to point 2 to point 3.

We can work on then that.

 Nov 16th 2015, 01:22 PM #28 Junior Member   Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 1 Does anyone have a full solution to this problem, would make it a lot easier to understand if i could see it in full, thanks!
Nov 16th 2015, 02:07 PM   #29
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 Originally Posted by studiot So far I've done most of the work here, (post7) so how about describing your version of the next stage on the PV diagram. That is from point 3 to point 4 using what you have learned in going from point 1 to point 2 to point 3. We can work on then that.
I don't really know how you think you have done most of the work. I asked for feedback on my answers and you never offered any help. And what you provided us with downards force = upwards force still gave us the pressure that we had.

I've actually gone and done most of the work with friends to try and figure out what's happening. I was only confused with the work done. Like why would I choose the equation "p deltav" instead of m r (t2-t2)

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 Nov 19th 2015, 10:34 AM #30 Senior Member   Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: NC Posts: 418 Hi, everybody... I guess this about over. I'm sorry I did not have time to help. But I followed your numbers. A p-v diagram is needed. I attached mine. I haven't solved it. Only the "first part." See it here. http://www.thermospokenhere.com/wp/0..._elevator.html This is a tedious little problem. Could be worded better. Good Luck, You Guys, Jim Attached Thumbnails

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