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Old Jul 24th 2019, 08:09 PM   #1
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unknown vector of a closed space

can someone please verify my workings, see attached pdf and image

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appears PDF did not attach , so posting again
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appears the image did not attach well, as well, attached here again
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images as 2 PFDs
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sorry that should be images 6 to 9
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Please do us a favor. Do you have a quick synopsis of what it is you are trying to do here? Since you are writing a paper here you can consider this a request for an abstract.

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couple of minor changes to the text and trying to make it clearer and easy to read, reattached it here in PDF
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Please do us a favor. Do you have a quick synopsis of what it is you are trying to do here? Since you are writing a paper here you can consider this a request for an abstract.

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the synopsis is in the PDF

"Finding unknown velocity vector of a moving closed space.

Introduction

It is a long held theory that if one is in a closed space moving at a constant velocity, there is no experiment that can be carried out, within that closed space, without reference to phenomena external to that closed space, to find the unknown velocity of the closed space.

In this article I will propose an experiment to show how such an experiment could be conducted. I will also discuss some of the ramification of the experiment. In essence this problem involves finding an unknown velocity vector."
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It is a long held theory that if one is in a closed space moving at a constant velocity, there is no experiment that can be carried out, within that closed space, without reference to phenomena external to that closed space, to find the unknown velocity of the closed space.

In essence this problem involves finding an unknown velocity vector. In this article I will propose an experiment to find that unknown vector without reference to external phenomena.
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Old Jul 25th 2019, 05:04 AM   #10
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So you are proposing an experiment to do what has "long been known" to be impossible?

Throughout you assert that this object has "unknown velocity v". Relative to what? Do you not at least know that any velocity has to be relative to some specified reference point?

You do say "The red train is moving to the left at a known constant velocity Vk (relative to the tracks). The black train is not moving relative to the tracks" so, yes, you do know that velocity is relative. But what is the "unknown velocity" you are finding?

You ask the reader to "refer to figure 1" but I could not find a figure 1.

I will admit that I did not read through this in detail but it appears that you are using "Galilean relativity" while also using the fact that the speed of light is the same constant in all frames of reference, that Galileo did not know. That did cause a great deal of concern at the beginning of the twentieth century, resulting in various experiments to determine "absolute" velocities using light. The null result of those experiments led to the development of "Einsteinian relativity". I suspect that your proposed "experiment" was at least similar to those and would, if actually carried out, also give in a null result.
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