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 Nov 1st 2016, 06:39 PM #31 Senior Member   Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 282 Well, that's the problem. The fact that you do not understand what ChipB is saying means that you need to learn more physics, not that he is wrong. topsquark likes this.
Nov 1st 2016, 06:54 PM   #32
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 Originally Posted by ChipB In each case it stretches between the observer and each car (or is it between the two cars?)
If car1 run 70MPH and car2's speed is zero. The car1 will make a force to pull the spring's end attached to it. So this end will stretch earlier than the other. And the argument is the opposite if car1's speed is zero and car2's speed is 70MPH. 2 observers on the cars carry the atomic clocks (which are synchronised with each other) and record the stretching time of the spring's end attached to their own car. Then they can tell each other the results and determine the difference. That's it.

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 Nov 1st 2016, 07:22 PM #33 Junior Member   Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 19 I'd like to emphasize that the active force to stretch the spring is made by the running car. So that running car is responsible for the stretching earlier of the spring'end attached to it.
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 Originally Posted by HaiNguyen If car1 run 70MPH and car2's speed is zero. The car1 will make a force to pull the spring's end attached to it. So this end will stretch earlier than the other.
Wrong! Both ends stretch at the same time! Don't confuse that video you put up previously with what's happening here - that was not a video of one end moving at constant speed away from the other, but rather shows what happens when an impulse is applied to one end. It's a completely different thing. I suggest you try the experiment yourself. Just be sure to use constant velocity as you stretch the spring. If you don't have a spring you can do it with a rubber band.

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 Nov 2nd 2016, 08:03 AM #35 Junior Member   Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 19 You know what, I don't want to follow this debate any more. I said what I need to say. What you think is what you think. Your choice.
Nov 2nd 2016, 09:19 AM   #36
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 Originally Posted by HaiNguyen I'd like to emphasize that the active force to stretch the spring is made by the running car. So that running car is responsible for the stretching earlier of the spring'end attached to it.

 Nov 12th 2016, 01:24 AM #37 Banned   Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 50 the only method of confining an absolute FoR is to define the absolute limits of a photon. I contend I have defined this in the equation supplied to the thread "general quantum unity". If you wish to discuss this I can define this equation to anybody who actually wishes to comprehend it rather than continue the meaningless contention that the Uncertainty Principal is without solution.
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 Originally Posted by Instantonly absolute limits of a photon the Uncertainty Principal is without solution.
What are the limits of a photon??

The Uncertainty Principle is not a question without a solution it is, you know, a principle. There's nothing to get around.

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Dec 22nd 2016, 07:14 AM   #39
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 Originally Posted by HaiNguyen You know what, I don't want to follow this debate any more. I said what I need to say. What you think is what you think. Your choice.
And you don't care what the truth is?

I guess you wanted everyone to so "Oh goodness, that's true. You are such a genius" and when that didn't happen, you walk away.

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 Originally Posted by topsquark What are the limits of a photon?? The Uncertainty Principle is not a question without a solution it is, you know, a principle. There's nothing to get around. -Dan
I have to make the observation that the uncertainty principal is only likely to remain valid until DM/DE is identified and quantified.

To provide a nucleus to this, I would comment that the investigation I have made provides an explanation of the observable universe that discounts a BB origin. DM and DE provides a format for this conclusion.

As it took over 20 years to find a derivation that can be worked from, I have not taken the subject further in the year since. If contributors here have an interest in suspending absolutes in an effort to quantify what is yet to be quantified, I believe greater definition can be provided to the basis of the uncertainty principal.

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