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Old Apr 29th 2019, 07:38 PM   #11
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Smile physics vs cosmos

Cosmos (or say multiverse) is infinite with border.
The missing thing is the premise. (why not doubt the premise which lead to the concept of "missing anti matter"? )
Comos can be fashion and passion and inflation, but physics mush be step by step.

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Old Apr 30th 2019, 02:12 AM   #12
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Sometimes things happen in life And I found when the pressure of it all builds I tend to run to my old school library and pull out the book. I lost that long ago and all the terms but not the passion.

I think Its time to drop this childness and face the world.

Thanks for the offer bennit, One day if I'm back this way Maybe ill take you up on it, Might be good for more than just me.

I firmly believe the universe is infinite, I simply tried to find arguments for it. I don't disbelieve Big bang, I simply think something is missing. I can't help but wonder is its Infinity. That's all.

Time to get back to Life.
No problem. You're welcome back any time
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Old Apr 30th 2019, 06:02 AM   #13
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https://www.tweaktown.com/news/65740...tem/index.html

https://www.businessinsider.in/space...w/69108197.cms

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.4c470c40408e

I think ill go back to this passion for a while, Thanks for the wake up smack.

At least I can argue here. The moon is the most logical target if we wish to do something real. Real being more than something in orbit - permanent on the ground, not an orbiting station that may one day fall.

Here I don't argue against the gateway, simply that if all we do is the gateway, mars, and drop rovers and landers. Then its not in a sense A real foot hold on the moon( the gateway could come tumbling down at any time and its done)

Yet You can not just point a finger on the ground and say (base here) so Its needed(the gateway).

Up to a couple weeks ago I would have argued that If we don't talk about a base on the moon it will never happen(well it will but could be 100 - 200 years) Maybe never.

If we don't build one on the moon we never will build one on mars. We will simply go camping there like we did with the moon. Then nothing till some one some thing stirs the pot.

its a couple days away(the moon) if something goes wrong then we have a chance at rescue. That would be a cool story (a big successful rescue) but a death trip to mars would kill everything right now.

The water is there and its a smaller gravity well to bring it up from.(question still is how much -how hard to get)

Fuel - o2 - drinking water. Even spare water to use to douse a suit when you come in to get that Very harmful dust off.

Simply we have to start somewhere and a good starting place is the moon. Not the nicest but im sure that when we can put a base there and work there - Infinity will be the limit.

To infinity and beyond.

This is the kind of thing I like to argue and can argue well - I don't need the terms - Just to think what is the logical next step and why.

I be back - keep that book in a special place benit. Don't know when but One day Ill be back. I think im here cause I temporarily got blown away and ran out of things to argue. and im not looking to argue for the sake of arguing.

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Old Apr 30th 2019, 06:10 AM   #14
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Last but not least argument for the moon - If everyone sets their eyes there - they have to work together - put and keep the kids in school - want to shoot for the stars - takes school not guns.
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Old Apr 30th 2019, 06:56 AM   #15
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Simply we have to start somewhere and a good starting place is the moon. Not the nicest but im sure that when we can put a base there and work there
I totally agree. A lot of the research programs from the 1960s onwards have focussed on the moon and it was definitely a good first step after Earth orbits of course).

I think the next big step involves missions too Mars for some reasons that I think are often overlooked. For example, Mars has similar dimensions to Earth, so the gravity is similar. That makes more longer term missions involving habitats and resource management much easier. Gravity has a massive impact on resource management, health and well-being.

This is the kind of thing I like to argue and can argue well - I don't need the terms - Just to think what is the logical next step and why.
I would argue that you just know the terms, so you're much easier to understand when you talk about something that is much less technical. However, don't let that stop you studying whatever you want

I be back - keep that book in a special place benit. Don't know when but One day Ill be back. I think im here cause I temporarily got blown away and ran out of things to argue. and im not looking to argue for the sake of arguing.
Sure! It will probably be that introduction to cosmology book I linked previously. I'll get a copy.
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Old Apr 30th 2019, 07:07 AM   #16
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I agree on mars as a logical step but ATM more for the science where the moon is more for the manned part. My arguments actually have been do both. To argue for one simply divides us all.
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Old Apr 30th 2019, 07:24 AM   #17
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I must add the mars camping trip(as I call it) its not real(a base on the ground) but its the first step at mans presence at mars and is very important as well (hence Again I support the gateway)
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Old Apr 30th 2019, 08:56 PM   #18
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I think the next big step involves missions too Mars for some reasons that I think are often overlooked. For example, Mars has similar dimensions to Earth, so the gravity is similar. That makes more longer term missions involving habitats and resource management much easier. Gravity has a massive impact on resource management, health and well-being.
The gravity argument That you use for mars is the argument I use for the ground (Mars Or Moon). We simply can not do mars Habitats ATM. We can't even land a person on the moon again yet.

When I was a kid in grade 3 or 4 and we did plays (mine was always a rocket launch), I truly believed That by the time I got to this ripe young age of 55 I would see Industry on the moon, Cities on mars. And then nothing.

For years I seen and heard talk of Mars. But in the end(in my life time if its mars) Its just a fantasy.

I don't have kids but my wife does and grand kids. I want them to see something real. Not just dream. Actually, I want them to see that base on mars. If we aim for mars now for habitats and skip the moon It will still be long into their adulthood, That's if no one dies on the first or second camping trips which have to be done first.

By the time that's done we can set up shop on the moon lean everything we need to on setting up shop on another body and then March right on over there and do it again. Probably while her grandchild is in collage.

https://zmrindustryanalysis.com/1444...lunar-mission/

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Old May 1st 2019, 06:22 AM   #19
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Im just going to drop an odd new story here now - Say very little as this topic (inflation expansion is dead)

I will Simply say that the governments of the world are focused on the south pole - its yet sold to the public or congress. But don't kid your self - china Russia and bricks will. If the US does not it will be left with a camping trip while others set up camp where the most important recourse is. Then when you finally get off your feet and get serious if you did not already it will be to late - they will be setting up on both while your camping.

The stories tell me its not sold to the public yet.

Ill just drop some stories and let them speak for them selves - a new feed of sorts. Im dead here otherwise till I learn terminolagy.


The Moon is Finally Getting the Attention It Deserves - Out There

https://spacenews.com/nasa-outlines-...lunar-landing/

NASA Selects 12 Proposals to Support Health and Performance in Astronauts on Missions to the Moon and Mars

https://arstechnica.com/science/2019...-moon-landing/

https://www.space.com/blue-origin-my...ent-may-9.html

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Old May 1st 2019, 06:37 PM   #20
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NASA begins outlining roadmap for 2024 moon landing

https://spaceflightnow.com/2019/05/0...-moon-landing/

Topsquark if you like You can break this thread in 2 where the space exploration starts and put it in the lounge where benit And I started on it and call it Fligs Moon Mars Feed

The lounge seems a more fitting place But the initial argument needs to be with it. Or leave it here - Im happy either way.

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