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Old Apr 13th 2019, 09:29 AM   #1
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Infinite Universe Idea

Some thinking on an infinite universe with dark matter, dark energy and an increase in expansion which also might explain why 2 galaxies have no dark matter. A simple out of the box thought experiment using logic rather than math to fill in the banks of going from a universe dominated by gravity to one containing the forces.

If its infinite Math kinda goes out the window as I can.t add subtract or multiply or divide. Hawking said it should be simple. So I choose to look around for a few years and see if I could come up with a simple idea.

The first thoughts were voids and pools of ever larger sizes with a large pools extremely far away surrounding us then came the thinking is a black hole moving fast or slow and its relative. After that this large scale structure starts to appear in the universe. and I had A brainstorm.

Im now wondering if a black whole can only grow so big then accept no more. We don't know. The idea comes from white dwarfs having a mass limit.

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I believe Dark matter is all the stuff outside a singularity. I believe the Universe is creating an infinite cloud of particles much like quarks, these will form at the knots in the large scale structure of the universe in time. When the large galaxy clusters pool.

So if these knots get forces when this happens that effect each other - the stuff not fallen in is your dark matter which is only gravitationally attracted.

If large explosions or forces (not gravitational) push lots of matter out of the gravity wells and enough of this pools it could form one of the loose galaxies with no dark matter.

phisics.org has an article - what dark matter is not. its not a bunch of small black holes as hawking thought. These are monsters compared to what im talking. - a future particle, pooled galaxy cluster, is very large. Finding a tiny atom or asteroid in all that or measuring its weight (just one) would be almost non measurable compared to the particle itself

Even if im wrong on what dark matter is - not on how it acts.
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Old Apr 13th 2019, 12:21 PM   #2
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space is flat No rotation as far as we can tell and therefore it is infinite. The universe is not expanding as its already infinite. So what's happening - its expanding locally there is another place way far away from here - unimaginably far where space is compressing. There is an infinite number of areas where as far as you can see is expanding and just as many where space is compressing. If the large scale structure goes on forever and there is a similar less defined larger structure and so on and so on out to infinity then the universe is not expanding - it is locally yet for all we can see it is an insignificant spec.

The knots in the large scale structure appear to be forming an endless cloud of something like quarks - sound familiar. I believe it to be doing the same on ever larger scales Less defined As you pull back.

If this happened then DArk matter is all the stuff that did not fall into the singularities that make up the particles of matter. Dark energy is the result of gravity since it cause space to compress and therefor must expand somewhere else.

A black hole sees time go by fast but the stuff outside sees it take forever. When the knots in the large scale structure form particles and cool as the matter around us did - If you were made out of that and looked back at the creation of the particles that made you - it would look like it happened in a bang yet looking up from here it looks like it will take billions if not trillions of years



Experiment in out of the box thinking

Hypothesis of everything - the link between the small looking down (what happened) and the large looking (will happen again)

I think the answer to all the problems with dark matter dark energy is answered by looking up at that structure you see showing up in surveys(knots and voids) and extend it out to infinity (as far as we can tell space is flat so its infinite) then ask what is it - what is it doing. look down ask what did it do. then you wonder does it repeat on larger scales - look up and see that structure and it seems It must - then you see dark matter and dark energy, you see a quark like particle forming in an endless cloud.

You see what happened Before it happened to the small starting to happen in the large scale structure - the link we never saw till now.

we are well away from the Knot in an even larger scale structure in which that future particle will exist. Maybe even the larger structure above that.

there should then be infinitely larger scales infinitely less developed. A Fractal of kinds


Dark energy should change over time.

If im right on dark matter and dark energy there should be changes over time in acceleration of the universes expansion.

If the knots in the large scale structure of the universe will eventually form A infinite cloud of quark like particles when they pool. then the dark matter is the stuff which does not fall in. Dark energy is created from the compression of space - which must be stretched from somewhere.

Idea goes this happened when our own matter as we know it formed from dark matter. Its happening again on a large scale - and will happen again on a larger scale.

The space between atoms and the particles that make them up is now controlled by forces and will not change.

The knots in the large scale structure will eventually stop as well but the structures above will be speeding up as the matter pools and speed up falling in- they are stretching larger and larger areas of space. Some stretching is stopping some is speeding up. If im right -it has to cause changes in the rate over time.
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Old Apr 14th 2019, 04:14 AM   #3
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I read about those two oddball galaxies they have observed that don't give the usual behaviors that have been interpreted as being due to dark matter.
There are also a couple of "colliding" galaxies where the dark matter seems to be offset from the visible matter.
These are definitely clues toward the true nature of this observed feature of the universe.
Dark matter is probably the explanation that slices best with Occum's razor,
but there are probably as many questions (if not more) that dark matter raises as it solves.
There are several alternatives that are under serious consideration, but dark matter is the clear front runner.
Hopefully as astronomers make ever more accurate observations and identify more situations that don't fit the norm, the pieces of this puzzle will start to come together.
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Old Apr 14th 2019, 08:03 AM   #4
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Experiment in out of the box thinking

Hypothesis of everything - the link between the small looking down (what happened) and the large looking (will happen again)

I think the answer to all the problems with dark matter dark energy is answered by looking up at that structure you see showing up in surveys(knots and voids) and extend it out to infinity (as far as we can tell space is flat so its infinite) then ask what is it - what is it doing. look down ask what did it do. then you wonder does it repeat on larger scales - look up and see that structure and it seems It must - then you see dark matter and dark energy, you see a quark like particle forming in an endless cloud.

You see what happened Before it happened to the small starting to happen in the large scale structure - the link we never saw till now.

we are well away from the Knot in an even larger scale structure in which that future particle will exist. Maybe even the larger structure above that.

there should then be infinitely larger scales infinitely less developed. A Fractal of kinds



space is flat No rotation as far as we can tell and therefore it is infinite. The universe is not expanding as its already infinite. So what's happening - its expanding locally there is another place way far away from here - unimaginably far where space is compressing. There is an infinite number of areas where as far as you can see is expanding and just as many where space is compressing. If the large scale structure goes on forever and there is a similar less defined larger structure and so on and so on out to infinity then the universe is not expanding - it is locally yet for all we can see it is an insignificant spec.

The knots in the large scale structure appear to be forming an endless cloud of something like quarks - sound familiar. I believe it to be doing the same on ever larger scales Less defined As you pull back.

If this happened then DArk matter is all the stuff that did not fall into the singularities that make up the particles of matter. Dark energy is the result of gravity since it cause space to compress and therefor must expand somewhere else.

A black hole sees time go by fast but the stuff outside sees it take forever. When the knots in the large scale structure form particles and cool as the matter around us did - If you were made out of that and looked back at the creation of the particles that made you - it would look like it happened in a bang yet looking up from here it looks like it will take billions if not trillions of years

Galaxies behave odd in that spirals all rotate in about a billion years and the outside spins around in the same time as the inside. Its like a proto particle with particle wave behaviour. The AGN is the particle and the arms create a wave. An elliptical is a different particle altogether.
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I think the answer to all the problems with dark matter dark energy...
Brief comment: Dark energy and dark matter have nothing to do with each other. It's just one of those unfortunate notations that screw people up.

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Old Apr 15th 2019, 03:31 AM   #6
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Thinking of your arguments of parts of the universe expanding and others compressing, but on scales beyond the observable limits.
One could perhaps extend this idea to a vast compression/expansion waveform, with a wavelength larger than the observable universe.

However, one would expect to be able to see variations in the rate of expansion as one observed ever more distant galaxies (which we indeed do see).

The problem arises in the observed symmetry of these variations.
Unless we place ourselves precisely at a maxima/minima of the expansion/compression wave, we should be able to observe an asymmetry in the expansion rate.
It is a general tenet of physics that we should never assume a "special" position in the universe (so not at a maxima/minima).

To my knowledge, there has been no indication seen of any such asymmetry (has anyone looked?).
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Thank you woody You helped me - I explained that wrong and every now and then I have a brain fart and forget that if I accept the assumption that the universe is making particles in the large scale structure then I have to keep going up by a factor and see it again and again (less developed each time I pull back). I don't need it to be compressing massively way off somewhere to get my black hole in the future 30 factors up I just need a few extra galaxies in per current visible area of the universe in that part of the universe. I know this My brain simply has a fart now and then - complex thing im trying to understand

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