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 Jul 10th 2018, 10:27 AM #2 Forum Admin     Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: On the dance floor, baby! Posts: 2,778 There was a reason I closed the other thread. You weren't listening to members who were trying to help you understand that "X4" is a botched idea. I'll let you work this thread for a bit but you need to listen and try to apply suggestions that other members are giving. Personally I feel that your hypothesis (not a theory!) is garbage but we'll see for now. This is the only warning you are going to get. -Dan __________________ Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. See the forum rules here.
 Jul 10th 2018, 10:30 AM #3 Forum Admin     Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: On the dance floor, baby! Posts: 2,778 Do you even know what the word "chiral" means? It has nothing to do with electric charge. Maybe we should start here. What do you know about chiral states? Do you know about weak field theory in QM? -Dan __________________ Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. See the forum rules here.
Jul 11th 2018, 09:36 AM   #4
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 Originally Posted by htam9876 Declarations: This X4 model of unit electrical charge is established in X4 theory and contains some guess of its own.
Okay...

So what exactly is it you want us to do with your big wall of text?

 Jul 11th 2018, 08:43 PM #5 Senior Member   Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 499 I'm always willing to learn .... What exactly is " the X4 model of unit electrical charge" ??? A search draws a blank "Chirality is a geometric property of some molecules and ions. A chiral molecule/ion is non-superimposable on its mirror image..." Last edited by oz93666; Jul 11th 2018 at 08:45 PM.
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X4 theory of photon 3

X4 Theory of Photon Ⅲ
(The Mass Space)

First I ask a question, why the energy equation for a released photon is E = hγ in Quantum and need not to take the number of crests(n of λ, here n is a natural number) and the margin E0 into account?
There might be saying that the classical electromagnetism is not suitable to calculate the microscopic energy. For this sake, we put E0 aside. But a released photon is just that of a section of electrical wave, its energy E should ∝the number of crests(n of λ) no matter what method is used to calculate.
It implys that all released photons have the same number of crests(n of λ)? Temporarily suppose it is and see what will happen.
Next, we refer to the article X4 Model of Unit Electrical Charge and play a game of Geometry.
We unfold the standing wave, namely make its radius R→∞, and it turns into two released photons.(notice please, it’s only a game of Geometry, not the real physical course of transformation)
We watch the game in counter way, it’s two released photons turn into a standing wave.
And we got: standing wave which constitute all kinds of basic particles have the same number of crests(nt of λt when referring to travelling waves, and ns of λs when referring to standing waves. The lower index t means travelling wave and s means standing wave in this context)
We talk about space at this moment. Space should be the physical subordinate of matter. No space exist without matter.
We turn to SR temporarily (detailed calculation omitted below).
According to the length contract effect and the mass-speed equation, we got:
L’/L = M0/M
This could be called the mass- space equation. It means the space concept people custom to is induced by mass. It’s called the Mass Space here (Mspace). And Mspace ∝ 1/M.
Next, we try to use the basic particle model in the article X4 Model of Unit Electrical Charge and the temporary conclusion of same number of crests in this article to calculate the radius of basic particle.
Below, we calculate the central line of the helical track of layer instead of the helical track itself because the speed of light should be calculated on the central line. And the wavelengthλt should be the projective wavelength on the central line.
E = MC² = 2hγt = 2hC/λt then:
λt = 2h/MC then:
The radius of basic particle is :
R = ntλt/2π = nth/πCM
Because nt, h, π,C are all constants, we use a constant a for simplicity and a = nth/πC, then:
R = a/M
Namely, R∝1/M. In fact, it’s the same meaning as Mspace ∝ 1/M in SR above.

Next compare it with experimental results (all data quoted below are gathered in the internet. Thanks to those publisher here.)
The radius of proton is Rp ≈ 8.4×10ˆ-16 m, and the mass Mp ≈ 1.6726×10ˆ-27 kg.
The radius of neutron is Rn ≈ 8.0×10ˆ-16 m, and the mass Mn ≈ 1.6749×10ˆ-27 kg.
Rp/ Rn ≈ 1.05 Mn/ Mp ≈ 1.001
Basically able to reflect the relationship of R or（Mspace ）∝ 1/M.
The data about the radius of electron is much different with sources. The data published by Klurer Academic 1992 is Re ≈ 4-7×10ˆ-13 m. The mass of electron is almost the same, Me ≈ 9.1×10ˆ-31 kg.
Re/ Rp ≈ 0.48-0.8×10ˆ3 Mp/ Me ≈ 1.8×10ˆ3
Also basically able to reflect the relationship of R or（Mspace ）∝ 1/M.
According to the basic particle model in the article X4 Model of Unit Electrical Charge and the concept of Mspace and the temporary conclusion of same number of crests in this article, the radius of basic particle is not fixed. It might change follow suit the mass (or energy) of that particle.
Claim: In fact, X4 Model of Unit Electrical Charge is the first part of X4 Theory of Photon Ⅲ.
(To be continued)

Chen Li Qiang
July,2018
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Jul 25th 2018, 07:03 AM   #8
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 Originally Posted by htam9876 X4 Theory of Photon Ⅲ (The Mass Space) First I ask a question, why the energy equation for a released photon is E = hγ in Quantum and need not to take the number of crests(n of λ, here n is a natural number) and the margin E0 into account?
Why should it?

 There might be saying that the classical electromagnetism is not suitable to calculate the microscopic energy.
Yes. But this is because of the observed phenomena, such as the ultraviolet catastrophe. Classical EM simply cannot accurately describe the observations of radiation from atoms. This is one of a number of reasons why QM is needed.

 For this sake, we put E0 aside. But a released photon is just that of a section of electrical wave, its energy E should ∝the number of crests(n of λ) no matter what method is used to calculate.
The old classical theories of atomic radiation predicted that the energy content of a wave was associated with the amplitude. Observations show it is not. Those theories cannot adequately explain atomic radiation and never will.

 It implys that all released photons have the same number of crests(n of λ)?
Who cares about the number of crests of light wave?

 Temporarily suppose it is and see what will happen. Next, we refer to the article X4 Model of Unit Electrical Charge and play a game of Geometry. We unfold the standing wave, namely make its radius R→∞,
What do you mean by "radius of a standing wave"? Do you mean wavelength? If so, as the wavelength tends to infinity, it's energy tends towards 0 because

$\displaystyle E = \frac{hc}{\lambda}$

If you mean amplitude, its energy won't change.

 and it turns into two released photons.(notice please, it’s only a game of Geometry, not the real physical course of transformation) We watch the game in counter way, it’s two released photons turn into a standing wave.
This makes no sense at all.

 And we got: standing wave which constitute all kinds of basic particles have the same number of crests(nt of λt when referring to travelling waves, and ns of λs when referring to standing waves. The lower index t means travelling wave and s means standing wave in this context)
This makes no sense.

 We talk about space at this moment. Space should be the physical subordinate of matter. No space exist without matter.
Why should "space be a physical subordinate of matter"? What does that even mean?

There's also plenty of space without matter in it. Why make this up?

 We turn to SR temporarily (detailed calculation omitted below). According to the length contract effect and the mass-speed equation, we got: L’/L = M0/M This could be called the mass- space equation. It means the space concept people custom to is induced by mass. It’s called the Mass Space here (Mspace). And Mspace ∝ 1/M. Next, we try to use the basic particle model in the article X4 Model of Unit Electrical Charge and the temporary conclusion of same number of crests in this article to calculate the radius of basic particle.
By "radius of particle", do you mean the nucleon radius? Do you mean the orbital radius of a s-orbital electron? Leptons don't even have size, so what do you mean?

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