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Old Jan 11th 2017, 03:00 PM   #1
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Lightbulb Ghost Dimension (Energy, Waves, Superposition, Hidden Variables)

The dimension of supernatural. (I am not crazy, let me explain.)

It's the side QM refuses to talk about. They believe in wave-particle duality, but refuse to accept that the physical particle is only a hidden variable when in wave form. Even when confronted with quantum tunneling that demonstrates physical mass going through a solid wall. Even when asking how mass can go through two slits at the same time and interfere with itself. To them I say, WAKE UP! A particle is obviously only in a wave state without mass until it is observed. I happen to think that the wave state is Energy and probably looks something similar to a sound spectrogram https://www2.physics.ox.ac.uk/resear...hysics/attos-0 What if we learned how to modify an object while it was in its ghost state? Could we trick this dimension into changing elements on the periodic table for us using electromagnetic waves?

Help me make this an actual consideration. How cool would it be for a "ghost" dimension to be included in science talks?

To help with the "Ghost" name, I may be able to link this dimension to consciousness streams (a soul).
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Old Jan 11th 2017, 05:56 PM   #2
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I am inclined to think that you do not know the meaning of the word "dimension" (as used in physics). What, exactly, do you think it means?
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Old Jan 11th 2017, 06:00 PM   #3
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It's not like x,y,z spatial dimensions. You can think of it like how time is a dimension.
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Old Jan 11th 2017, 06:33 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
It's not like x,y,z spatial dimensions. You can think of it like how time is a dimension.
But the time dimension does work like a spatial dimension! I think what you are trying to say is that we may have "non-Euclidean" dimensions.

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The dimension of supernatural. (I am not crazy, let me explain.)

It's the side QM refuses to talk about. They believe in wave-particle duality, but refuse to accept that the physical particle is only a hidden variable when in wave form. Even when confronted with quantum tunneling that demonstrates physical mass going through a solid wall. Even when asking how mass can go through two slits at the same time and interfere with itself. To them I say, WAKE UP! A particle is obviously only in a wave state without mass until it is observed. I happen to think that the wave state is Energy and probably looks something similar to a sound spectrogram https://www2.physics.ox.ac.uk/resear...hysics/attos-0 What if we learned how to modify an object while it was in its ghost state? Could we trick this dimension into changing elements on the periodic table for us using electromagnetic waves?

Help me make this an actual consideration. How cool would it be for a "ghost" dimension to be included in science talks?

To help with the "Ghost" name, I may be able to link this dimension to consciousness streams (a soul).
First, much of what you say is true. But I don't know that it is correct in the sense that you know of. (I don't know how much Physics training you've had so please excuse me if I am explaining things too simply.)

The wave-particle duality is nothing to believe in...it's really an experimental property. Whenever we do an experiment that uses wave mechanics we measure "particles" that fit the wave description. Whenever we do an experiment that uses particle mechanics we measure "particles" that fit the particle description. That's Nature, not theory.

There is more truth in your comment about particle mass. If the particle/wave (some call this a "wavicle" ) is undetected then we can't say that it has no mass, specifically, but the mass is entirely unconstrained until detection. The truth of this statement comes from Quantum Field Theory and has to do with how we set up the calculation...virtual particles have momenta that must be integrated over all possible values. So we can't say just what the mass is.

The "wave state" is not energy. The wave state is (presumably) the description of the wavicle that is being observed. It is always difficult to define "energy" precisely but one thing that all can agree on: It's a property of the system under study. The energy of a wavicle is a property of the wavicle, not the wavicle itself.

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Old Jan 11th 2017, 06:57 PM   #5
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ok, I like the "non-Euclidean" dimension description as I suspect the ghost dimension is all curves (why unobserved EM waves are waves instead of straight lines).

My problem with current physics is that it refuses acknowledgment of hidden variables. If mass can go through a solid wall ..that mass would have to be in the form of a hidden variable within the wave. "Wavicle" is nonsense, wave morphs into a particle. You can say wavicle only for the half way transition point as it is morphing. If a wave is containing hidden variables it must be more than just a mathematical probability.
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You are still using the word "dimension" in a way that does not make sense. You have been asked to define it as you are using it here but apparently are unable to do that. I suspect then that the whole difficulty is that you do not know what you are saying!
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Replace "dimension" with whatever word better fits the scenario. This area I'm talking about is everywhere throughout the universe.
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The idea of additional dimensions through which hidden variables operate to provide the mechanism behind the quantum effects we observe is not new.
The difficulty however is in converting that rather nebulous idea into a coherent theory.
The problem is that it seems to provide an infinite number of options, and so effectively becomes useless.
Possibly someone will find the constraints that will allow a sensible interpretation,
but for the moment my impression is that the physicists investigating this idea are thoroughly mired in totally intractable horribly complicated mathematics,
with little or no sign of how to formulate a feasible solution.

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I'm stoked that, at least, someone is taking it into consideration. Figuring the math for a dimension we are not allowed to see is a tall order.
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Old Jan 14th 2017, 10:14 PM   #10
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I'm realizing this ghost dimension runs at the speed of light and is what prevents large objects from getting to that speed. The large hadron collider can't get particles to go the speed of light because they are observed.

The speed of light is constant because it is apart of the ghost dimension (in superposition).

Anything that can go into superposition can achieve the speed of light. Mass is transparent when in superposition (a hidden variable) allowing it to go the speed of light.

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