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Old May 5th 2019, 04:35 PM   #11
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Cool interaction vs uniaction

Woody:
My addtional analysis is below:
1. "Gravity" and "space - time curvature" are equivalent descriptions. "Gravity" is the classical description while "space - time curvature" is the modern description. It's masses generate "gravity" and also it's masses generate "space - time curvature".
2. "Gravity" is a bilateral concept. It's mass - mass "interaction". But if people consider that photon is massless, "space - time curvature" will turn to be unilateral concept. It's mass - massless and should be called "uniaction". Logically, they will not be equivalent any more. That will lead to the inconsistency between classic and modern physics.
3."Space" is a bilateral concept. If there is only one planet in cosmos, will the "outside" "space" exist and warp? If people consider that it's the mass of a planet render "space - time" warping from the angle of the planet, then how about from the angle of the "massless" photon? What render "space - time" warping?
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Old May 6th 2019, 05:52 AM   #12
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Originally Posted by Woody View Post
Energy = Mass * c^2
Actually here we need the full equation:
$\displaystyle E^2 = (pc)^2 + (mc^2)^2$

Since m = 0 for the photon:
$\displaystyle E = pc$

Ala deBroglie: $\displaystyle p = \dfrac{h}{\lambda}$
where $\displaystyle \lambda$ is the wavelength.

So we finally have
$\displaystyle E = \dfrac{hc}{\lambda}$

We can also get the same result more directly using $\displaystyle E = h \nu$.

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Old May 6th 2019, 06:39 PM   #13
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Cool neila9876 vs ****9876

Actually I care more about if special electric character exist between released photons as well as if a released photon is a simple basic structure or a bi-layer complicated structure just alike one man Chen two guys neila9876 and ***9876 in PHF (are those two guys seperated or back to back). According to my own theory, I can't exclude those possibility.
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Old May 7th 2019, 05:01 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by neila9876 View Post
Actually I care more about if special electric character exist between released photons as well as if a released photon is a simple basic structure or a bi-layer complicated structure just alike one man Chen two guys neila9876 and ***9876 in PHF (are those two guys seperated or back to back). According to my own theory, I can't exclude those possibility.
You might be able to make this kind of argument for a non-elementary particle such as a pion (where you may be correct at least as a first approximation) but elementary particles such as photons, neutrinos, quarks, etc. have no internal (spatial) structure. (They do have a kind of structure in internal spaces where we have symmetry relationships.)

If we find that any of these elementary particles have a structure then they aren't elementary after all and there may be a structure as you are suggesting.

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Old May 7th 2019, 06:08 PM   #15
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Talking modern physics vs mystery

Dan:
No internal (physical) structure = what's the internal (physical) structure?
Elementary particle vs basic particle, which term is reasonable?
A special question:
Where's the photon gone after it has been absorbed by atom?
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Old May 7th 2019, 07:45 PM   #16
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Smile Thanks so much everyone!

Iím so thrilled so many of you have taken the time to share your thoguhts, I really appreciate it.

I have had to go away for a weeks but Iím excited to look into what youíre shared and I will respond and thank you all, hopefully soon

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Old May 8th 2019, 08:14 AM   #17
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Originally Posted by neila9876 View Post
Dan:
No internal (physical) structure = what's the internal (physical) structure?
Elementary particle vs basic particle, which term is reasonable?
A special question:
Where's the photon gone after it has been absorbed by atom?
The internal structure of a particle, let's say an electron, does not exist in real space. However there is something called "weak hypercharge" that an electron does have. (Actually it's a left handed electron but let's not go there for now.) In that sense the electron has structure in weak hyperspace, but weak hyperspace is not part of space-time. It's more a Mathematical property rather than a physical one.

Where does the photon go? It's gone. What happens is that the electron is now in a higher energy state. (Which the electron may emit a new photon and fall back into a lower energy state.)

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Yeah...ah...yeah, no physical...just hyper...hyper...hyper...mathematical...
Oh, yeah...just gone, nowhere...everywhere...
Finished.
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Originally Posted by neila9876 View Post
@ dragon
Yeah...ah...yeah, no physical...just hyper...hyper...hyper...mathematical...
Oh, yeah...just gone, nowhere...everywhere...
Finished.
It is what it is. It's nice to have things be the simplest we can get but QM operates by vastly different rules than what we are used to using Classical Physics. It's practically a whole different world.

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Old May 8th 2019, 06:38 PM   #20
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I do sympathize with neila's position ....

Often things end up in lines of mathematics ... jargonised terminology and abstract thought images .....

The number of real physicists is very small , witnessed by the traffic physics forums get which are open to the whole world population ...

It would be quiet easy to perpetrate a hoax/conspiracy ....

No reply yet to the video I posted ... from a very sensible source , suggesting that these guys fixed the results ....



They received the Nobel prize 2 years later
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