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 Sep 26th 2012, 01:44 AM #1 Banned   Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 64 Michelson-Morley I measuere new facts Michelson-Morley measure ONLY light speed C !!! I don't want to measure speed – speed C everybody know !!! I DISCOVER TWO NEW FACTS : 1. light beam power has relation to each direction ! 2. energy that use source of light has relation to each direction ! YOU TUBE 1 – experiment with camera and leds http://youtu.be/9ezgOoI6xqc Below my few questions please write me what You think ( use question No ) 1 Why My Nikon 5000 can see light power change ? ( for me light power has relation with Universe ! It is not Doppler my camera and source of light have the same velocity ) http://youtu.be/Pj5Xx2B2G-U 2 Two the same Mass m that not move and Two the same mass m that move (what about gravitation forces the same - light power change with speed V what about gravitation) ? http://youtu.be/Nfop3WZRNsA 3 What is mass m and gravitation mass m why Einstein not separate this is this corect ? 4 What is totaly not move body definition and newton table ? ( what You think I discover something or Just this what You right now learn in school is OK we no need add more ? ) CORPORATION BLOCKING ME !!! in my head I have many plan special in green energy sectore
 Sep 26th 2012, 09:08 AM #2 Physics Team     Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Morristown, NJ USA Posts: 2,352 1. Your video doesn't provide any evidence that the power of light received depends on the orientation of the apparatus. And if that's what you see with your camera, I would suggest it's because you are using uncalibrated equipment - a cheap LED light source and a camera not designed to measure light power to the accuracy you propose. Bottom line - I don't believe that this movie demonstrates anything of value. 2. Your explanation of why laser 1 and laser 2 should produce light of different power levels is deeply flawed. You seem to think that the energy in light is related to the source's absolute velocity relative to some mythical point 'A,' but that idea has long been disproved. I think you're mixing up kinetic energy of an object with the energy in a beam of light - but they are two fundamentally different things. The energy in light is dependent on the energy of the source and the velocity of the observer relative to the source. In your rocket ship the sources and receivers are all moving at the same velocity and hence there is no difference in the energy measured fom laser 1 and laser 2. 3. You are forgetting that all velocities are relative, meaning that when you say a mass has velocity v you must be specific as to what v is measured against. There is no such thing as absolute velocity. Another error: you used the equation Ft=mv and seemed to imply that v is measured relative to some fixed point A. But the actual equation is Ft = m Delta v, where 'Delta v' means "change in v." When you apply a force to an object you change its velocity relative to some other point. But it's a mistake to think that an object has an "absoulte velocity" and hence an absolute value of kinetic energy. Finally, I didn't understand at all what you were trying to get at regarding what 'm' means in the equation F=ma. My advice is that you should study up on basic mechanics and fundamentals of general relativity. Before coming up with new theories see if you can demonstrate where the existing theories don't work (again, your LED and camera experiment doesn't do this). And keep in mind that not only Einstein but hundreds of physicists that have come since have shown that theory of relativity works - so if you think you have a proof that relativity is incorrect your first reaction ought to be to try to figure out where you went wrong, not where Einstein went wrong. Last edited by ChipB; Sep 26th 2012 at 12:50 PM.
 Sep 26th 2012, 09:43 AM #3 Banned   Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 64 thank You for comment I take many picture why only in one direction my photo camera show more light I repeat this next day the same time the same one photo the same direction when You go in train You use the same energy to go with train and opposite to train but only for person inside train. Laser light signal not belong to train but to universe ( Mach vs Einstein ... read ) please try find in web my home page ( I'm engineer please see what I done .. not relative but real )
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 Originally Posted by tesla2 thank You for comment I take many picture why only in one direction my photo camera show more light I repeat this next day the same time the same one photo the same direction
I have no idea why this is occurring, but I would guess that it probably has to do with something either in the camera or the light source that changes when tilted in certain directions. Suggestion: try another camera, and try another light source. Also try a another room - maybe the exposure setting of the camera is affected by light sources in the room. And if the light is truly affected by the aparrstus's orientation to the mythical point 'A' (center of the universe?) then you should get different results at different times of the day and different times of the year - do you?

 Originally Posted by tesla2 when You go in train You use the same energy to go with train and opposite to train but only for person inside train. Laser light signal not belong to train but to universe ( Mach vs Einstein ... read )
??? I have no idea what you're trying to say.

 Originally Posted by tesla2 please try find in web my home page ( I'm engineer please see what I done .. not relative but real )
Sorry, I don't know what your web page URL is.

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 Sep 27th 2012, 08:05 AM #5 Banned   Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 64 Thank You for next post my page http://www.maroszvsnewton.cba.pl below I showing easy explain ( I make my pictures in dark room - short time 1/100 / --- 200 film ( 6 oclock - in Poland is dark - today I used not the same lamp - the same direction and only one from 4 anather is more bright THE SAME LIKE YESTERDAY ) Part 1 Classical mechanics background ( THIS IS HOW I START THINK ) Part 2 - real experiment NIKON 5000 camera ( I USE REMOTE CONTROL - CAMERA IS ON FLORR) Part 3 - Michelson-Morley new facts ( yOU ALREADY SAW THIS ) 1. light beam power and relation to each direction ! 2. energy that use source of light and relation to each direction ! Part 4 Many new questions ! ( too much for one person ) Last edited by tesla2; Sep 27th 2012 at 08:10 AM.
Sep 27th 2012, 10:38 AM   #6
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 Originally Posted by tesla2 Part 1 Classical mechanics background ( THIS IS HOW I START THINK )
It's true that the velocity of M_L and M_R as measured by someone at point A will be different than as measured by the observer on the planet. Consequently the observer at A can ascertain the velocity V of the planet by seeing the difference in velocities (and hence KE) of the M_L and M_R. This is essentially how astronomers measure the relaive velocity of distant stars, by looking at the red-shift of blue-shift of the light the star emits (inteh case of light we're talkiong about measuring energy, not velocity). But it's a mistake to conclude that the observer on the planet measures the same KE of the the two masses as the observer at A. As far as he can tell the masses are all moving at veocity V_0 relative to him, and so he can not use some sort of energy measurement to determine his velocity relative to A.

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 Sep 27th 2012, 11:23 AM #7 Banned   Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 64 Sipmply sample please imagine that earth basic on point A has speed 10 m/s before explosion ML = 10 m/s before explosion MR = 10 m/s after explosion ML ( slown down 9 m/s ) after explosion MR ( acelerate 11m/s ) You are on Earth You See left = right ( the principle of conservation of momentum) each ball has the same speed please count ML = MR =M before explosion ML has energy 100M/2 = 50 M after exposion ML has energy 81M/2 = 40,5 M ML slow down 9,5 M energy before explosion MR has energy 100M/2 = 50 M after exposion MR has energy 121 M/2 = 60,5 M MR accelerate 10,5 M energy In my laser light measure methd I use two lasers left and right WHAT YOU THINK WERE WILL GO ENERGY MORE EASY each laser use energy better is use 9,5 not 10,5 Why lightning rod PROTECT bulding ? ENERGY ALWAYS GO THERE WHERE IS MORE EASY TOTALY ZERO A POINT DEF - take laser and it will use the same energy on each direction for the same power ( light signal power ) Last edited by tesla2; Sep 27th 2012 at 11:25 AM.
 Sep 27th 2012, 01:00 PM #8 Physics Team     Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Morristown, NJ USA Posts: 2,352 Yes - what you calculated is the kinetic energy of the two masses as observed by someone at point A, which is "stationary" in your system while the Earth moves at 10 m/s. The change in energy that A sees is 60.5+40.5-2(10^2)/2 = 1. Meanwhile the person on Earth sees two objects each moving at 1 m/s, for total change of KE= 2 x (1/2x1x1^2) -0 = 1. So both agree about the total change in KE, though each measures different velocities of the masses. Again, the observer on Earth has no way of measuring the KE of ML or MR and getting the same measurments as the observer at point A. All anyone can ever measure is the change in KE, and while the total change in KE will agree, the measurements of the individual masses MR and ML will not. Last edited by ChipB; Oct 20th 2012 at 06:00 AM.
 Sep 28th 2012, 02:03 AM #9 Banned   Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 64 I can very Esy measure this Take Two Pipe pipe one 10 E dynamite pipe two E dynamite I already explain in JPG You need measure from Earth only ball speed diferent Attached Thumbnails
 Sep 28th 2012, 02:27 AM #10 Banned   Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 64 what mean Ek1/Ek2 if You have Ek1/Ek2 You will know Earth speed if Ek1/Ek2 = 1 it mean earth speed on this direction is totaly zero if EEk1/Ek2 =0 earth speed is clouse to C speed ( this need more explain but You can do Your self ) if You see more than 1 it mean direction is ok but sign speed vectore 180 degree diferent Energy always want go to lower level not to Higher level

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