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Apr 15th 2018, 01:47 AM   #11
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 Originally Posted by QuestionablePhysics so the question to become very clear: what steps are necessary to measure and identify the load?
well clearly the load is what you bring to the situation , why would you want to measure that ??? It will be different for a finger or an earthed wire

Apr 15th 2018, 02:54 AM   #12
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 Originally Posted by oz93666 well clearly the load is what you bring to the situation , why would you want to measure that ??? It will be different for a finger or an earthed wire
the question is not why but how? and yes it will be different for anything it comes into contact with... hence the why: to identify it! just like in the post you quoted!

"so the question to become very clear: what steps are necessary to measure and identify the load?"

Apr 15th 2018, 11:25 PM   #13
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 Originally Posted by QuestionablePhysics the question is not why but how? and yes it will be different for anything it comes into contact with... hence the why: to identify it! just like in the post you quoted! "so the question to become very clear: what steps are necessary to measure and identify the load?"
Well , to identify the load you need to know the voltage , frequency and current .

Fix one oscilloscope probe to the globe , the other probe is Earthed . This will be the load you can measure , from one probe to the other , going through the scope .... changing the dials on the scope will change the load ...

the scope can measure frequency , and current , and voltage , but you have to change the dial and thus the load to measure these three parameters
so you really need 2 devices ....

First measure the frequency ... we can assume this will not change .

Then connect two scopes , or meters , one to measure the current and the other to measure the voltage , both connected to the probes , you will be able to find the load of these two meters .

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Apr 16th 2018, 12:02 AM   #14
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 Originally Posted by oz93666 Well , to identify the load you need to know the voltage , frequency and current . Fix one oscilloscope probe to the globe , the other probe is Earthed . This will be the load you can measure , from one probe to the other , going through the scope .... changing the dials on the scope will change the load ... the scope can measure frequency , and current , and voltage , but you have to change the dial and thus the load to measure these three parameters so you really need 2 devices .... First measure the frequency ... we can assume this will not change . Then connect two scopes , or meters , one to measure the current and the other to measure the voltage , both connected to the probes , you will be able to find the load of these two meters .
strange you didn't mention lead or lag for RLC = Z, but this is besides the point as you clearly cannot answer the question!

Apr 16th 2018, 12:44 AM   #15
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 Originally Posted by QuestionablePhysics strange you didn't mention lead or lag for RLC = Z, but this is besides the point as you clearly cannot answer the question!
If you would like to confirm the following or provide a different specification it may be possible to answer your question; otherwise I think you are asking the wrong thing.

We are all agreed that the load imposed by a flying probe will vary with configuration.
Further the electrical definition of load means the electrical power delivered to it from the source, unless further information is given such as 'find the voltage dropped across the load' or whatever.

In these circumstances I would use a calibrated load and a milli/microwattmeter.

Apr 16th 2018, 01:52 AM   #16
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 Originally Posted by studiot If you would like to confirm the following or provide a different specification it may be possible to answer your question; otherwise I think you are asking the wrong thing. We are all agreed that the load imposed by a flying probe will vary with configuration. Further the electrical definition of load means the electrical power delivered to it from the source, unless further information is given such as 'find the voltage dropped across the load' or whatever. In these circumstances I would use a calibrated load and a milli/microwattmeter.
The Question is not about a flying probe, so it doesn't matter if its agreed upon!
visual confirmation of a load is given by observation of the reactions in the plasma globe and by the bulb lighting!
And as far as what I am asking this is very clear and obvious, so please answer the question directly and quit trying to mislead the question!

in what and how many ways can this Load be identified thru measurements?

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 Apr 16th 2018, 01:59 AM #17 Junior Member   Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 29 and also your definition meaning is absolutely incorrect.. load means it consumes not delivers! Originally Posted by studio: Further the electrical definition of load means the electrical power delivered to it from the source
Apr 16th 2018, 04:23 AM   #19
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Why should anyone bother since you are so determined to misread, misinterpret and then misrepresent what others write?

 and also your definition meaning is absolutely incorrect.. load means it consumes not delivers!
Read what I actually wrote, or post quoting where I said the load delivers and not consumes.