Physics Help Forum Too many variables

 Jul 24th 2009, 01:25 AM #1 Junior Member     Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Pangkor Island, Perak, Malaysia. Posts: 28 Too many variables A verticle force $\displaystyle P=50N$ is applied to the ends of the $\displaystyle 0.6m$ cord AB and spring AC. If the spring has an unstretched length of $\displaystyle 0.6m$, determine the angle $\displaystyle \theta$ for equilibrium. Take $\displaystyle k=250Nm^{-1}$ I have try to resolve them and sum of F = 0, but there are too many variables, I cant solve it. __________________ $\displaystyle {\color{blue}\text{Pangkor Island}}$ is a beautiful island. Coming here for a $\displaystyle {\color{blue}\text{holiday}}$ is a wonderful decision. (My grammar is not good, if there is any mistake, send a private message to correct me. Thanks.) I study in Malaysia Science University(USM) now. Electrical Engineering
 Jul 24th 2009, 09:10 AM #2 Senior Member   Join Date: May 2009 Location: Mumbai,India Posts: 102 Problem doesn't seem solvable. Insufficient data. Is the angle made by the spring and the cord specified? __________________ Just another brick in the wall...
Jul 25th 2009, 09:52 AM   #3
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 Originally Posted by Akshay Problem doesn't seem solvable. Insufficient data. Is the angle made by the spring and the cord specified?
No, it has not been given.
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I study in Malaysia Science University(USM) now.
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 Jul 25th 2009, 04:07 PM #4 Senior Member   Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kathu Posts: 132 Too many variables SengNee, The problem is solvable, you can use the 1st differential of the change in potential energy of the system. As the mass lowers, the gravitational potential energy is stored as elastic energy in the spring. Express both the gravitational energy and the spring energy as a function of theta using the geometry of the problem. Alternatively, you can use the force generated in the spring as it changed length (use the cosine rule), determine the vertical component of the force, subtract this from 50 to get the vertical force component of the cord. Work out the horizontal components of the cord and the spring and where the two are equal, that is where the balance point sits. You will have to use a method such as the newton raphson method to solve the resulting equations as I am not really sure how you would solve them by elementary means.
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